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Resorts & Travel

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  • John Bourne
    John Bourne
    Posted: 12 Dec 2018 11:17
    Edited: 12 Dec 2018 11:28

    Michael Knott under a separate thread asked for comments about Klosters so below are my personal views about the five ski areas.

    Madrisa. Now much improved with the new 6er Schaffurggli chairlift and new self-service restaurant. The Masrisa-Hof 50m above the gondola station is an impressive building and worth a visit even if only for coffee. It is a pity that they have no plans to re-start the Glatteggen tow, it accesses some good snow on a powder day. the Zugenhuttli is another good coffee/snack stop. the long run from the top of the Madrisa drag down to Schlappin is a good run, look out for Ibex on the Austrian border, and then on down to the bottom. It is marked black at the bottom probably because of the risk of ice and avalanches. I've seen spectacular avalanches just below Ericas at Schlappin, another good re-fuelling stop.

    Parsenn. One of my favourite runs is red 24 from Kruezweg (the round house) down the far side of the Schiferbahn past a couple of Schwendis. Black 16 from Groubenalp down to Wolfgang was a horrible icy track the last time I did it; one of those tracks where your skis wanted to go faster than you were comfortable with; on the other hand black 13 can be very enjoyable. Sometimes it is just another black but other times it gets a bit serious. Time your run to lunch at the Hotel Kulm at Wolfgang and then time lunch to the bus back to the Parsennbahn. Another good run is black 7 down to Davos. Do it in a morning when it is freshly pisted and before the Davos crowd are returning to base. Run 1 off the top of the Gipfel is steep but good; because of the height the snow usually stays good. We've mentioned the runs down to Kublis and Serneus previously; they are a good place to finish the day over a beer (and then miss the bus or train and have another).

    Jakobshorn. You can get there from Klosters either by train all the way or ski over which I prefer and then get the bus from Parsennbahn to Jakobshorn. Charles Prichard has briefed you on the two itineraries. I've done them both with the Ski Club leader. Muhle is no where near as terrifying as Teufi. When I've done Muhle we've always ended up at the bus stop at Frauenkirch. The Leader put in the snow report while we waited for the bus! There is a good restaurant below the bottom of the Clavadeler Bubble, just off blue 4. The blacks from the top of the Brama Jet and below the cable car top station are both steep but not too long.

    Rinerhorn. If the visibility is poor on the Parsenn it is usually better on Rinerhorn. The area is served by drag lifts only once you've gone up the gondola. Snow is often surprisingly good. Red 13 is a piste but sometimes not pisted and a good place to practice off-piste. If it is open then black 10 down from the top of Nulli comes through the trees most of the way & well worth doing. Spina is a good lunch stop. If you can get the timing right then the best way back to Klosters from Jakobshorn or Rinerhorn is to take the bus to the Parsenbahn, up to Weissfluhjoch and then ski down from there.

    Pischa. Not pisted at all nowadays. not been there recently.  

  • Bruce Levitt
    Bruce Levitt
    Posted: 24 Dec 2018 16:47
    Pischa can be a lovely place to spend half a day or a day if you enjoy freeriding.  The only lift running is the gondola which typically runs every 15 minutes.  They do not have any pisted runs although a groomer does typically cut a bit of a track. As long as you are comfortable skiing off piste this is a delightful mountain, particularly on a sunny day. It isn't steep, so a good place to play and learn. the place is typically almost deserted so you almost feel like it is your own private ski hill with the same handful of people on the lift each time.  Food choices include OK self-service restaurant at the top of the Pischabahn, a chalet specialising in chicken at the base of a former drag lift and the Alpenrose guest house up the street from the Pischa car park.

  • Bruce Levitt
    Bruce Levitt
    Posted: 29 Dec 2018 14:46

    I notice that Davos/Parsenn has officially added two "new" itinerary routes:

    9 Heimeli-Langwies: the lovely scenic route down from the bottom of the Hauptertali drag lift to Langwies. You can ski itinerary 8, Steinbock to get to the starting point. This is one of my favourites but note that from Langwies you would typically take the train or a taxi to Arosa and then continue eventually to Lenzerheide from whence you take the hour+ post bus back to Davos Platz (or you could take the train to Chur, connect to Landquart and connect again to Kloserts/Davos). Getting to Lenzerheide is now easy with a connecting cablecar but far more interesting to do off piste routes off the back of Arosa to Tschierchen, then Churwalden then on to Lenzerheide. Makes for a lovely day of four 1000 metre off-piste descents.

    10 Dorftali: The big area to skier's left from the Hohenweg middle station to Davos Dorf.  Lots of ways down. Further left can be higher risk of avalanches but you can take a nice ski out to connect to the bus from Laret/Wolfgang just before the road goes into the long avalanche tunnel.

    These were both "known" itineraries that have become official once again, presumably adding some nice new flexibility to Leader's schedules.  

    Can the Wang be far behind?

  • Charles Pritchard
    Charles Pritchard
    Posted: 29 Dec 2018 18:37

    Bruce Levitt: good stuff,Bruce. Really good.

    Will check out in 10day's Time .

    Re Wang, we have only done it twice in twenty years so our guides clearly don't trust it. I guess the Royal disaster still looms large and I doubt they will rush to encourage extra usage.

  • Bruce Levitt
    Bruce Levitt
    Posted: 30 Dec 2018 16:15

    Charles, I ski the Wang most years (when there is adequate snow cover and not too much new snow). Agree that it is unlikely to be officially opened up.

    My understanding was that Charles' group weren't actually on the Wang but rather in the area between the Wang and Drostobel just to the right of the cable car looking up the hill.

    Will be there Jan 19-26 if you are still around.

  • Charles Pritchard
    Charles Pritchard
    Posted: 30 Dec 2018 22:43

    Sadly, Bruce we are 10th to 19th so will just miss you. Do you free- ski, or go with the Leader, or take a Guide ?

    Re Heimeli, I have never done that but will ask our Guides about it. Any skinning ?

    Re Dorftali, we must have done something on those lines but I confess to being a follower who is often not quite sure where we have been. We have great fun dropping from bottom of Schwarzeealp through the trees and meadow to Laret and bussing to Wolfgang.

    Also dropping to Wolfgang from Totalp via various routes. The Kullm is quite a magnet.

    On a slightly broader note , would you agree that The Club is rather backsliding on introducing Members to Klosters as an off-piste destination ? That's where I learned , under Martin Epp, and progressed from useless to a bit less so over several years. There is a core of Members who still go there but I fear that will dwindle and I would be sad at that. Martin always said it was his idea of the perfect location to teach technique, progress onto easy off-piste and then further to itineraries and more. And in his view the avalanche risk was much less that in other places he had tried.

    The Club admit they have been absent for 5 years and this year are running 3 weeks, based around silver, though on piste and P/E. 

    I hope it might be the beginning of a resurgence of interest in this superb ski valley. 

  • Bruce Levitt
    Bruce Levitt
    Posted: 31 Dec 2018 03:49

    I often free ski (I always come for WEF week when there is no Leader in town). When I come with my wife we usually ski with the Leader - sometimes from Davos, sometimes from Klosters depending on the Leader and group skiing with them. I learned most of my off-piste itineraries from the "Reps" (before they became "Leaders") in an era when the ones who came to Davos took it upon themselves to free-range pretty much everywhere. (I just put together a rather lengthy missive for my sister on off-piste routes in the Davos-Klosters area and almost every one of them was first done with a Ski Club Rep and most would sadly be off limits today other than with a guide).

    The trip down to Heimeli/Langwies and then on through Arosa and eventually to Lenzerheide does not involve any skinning, although there is a 5-10 minute hike along one popular route.  In my mind it is the best off piste day to be had in the area. It does involve a rather long day because of where you end up - it's over an hour back to Davos and then if you are in Klosters tack on that train ride.  A bit like going to St. Antonien from Madrisa. If you are with a guide and the weather cooperates, I would strongly encourage it. Note that it does require you to buy a day pass for Arosa-Lenzerheide. If you are comfortable skiing Totalp to Wolfgang, you will not have problems skiing this.

    I do agree that Davos-Klosters is a fantastic place to introduce people to off-piste skiing. While there is no such thing as a perfectly safe place to ski, this area is relatively forgiving with a nice variety of pitches to suit all tastes and few places where things can go seriously wrong. The Club has been running a number of Freshtracks intro to powder sessions here for years and I am thankful that we are back to having rpes in both Davos and Klosters after having lost the Davos rep for the better part of a decade. I do hope that this is sustainable. 

  • Charles Pritchard
    Charles Pritchard
    Posted: 01 Jan 2019 17:12
    Thanks, John and Bruce. All printed off and I will relate them to what we do .